[Angel Donovan]: Hey, this is Angel Donovan at Dating Skills Review with Dating Skills Podcast. [David Tian]: Yeah, it’s pretty cool too because you’ve had quite a bit of experience in Asia as well, so it’s really nice to be able to talk to a guy who understands the issues that are unique to this part of the world. And there's just a lot of bored-looking Chinese girls sitting around the couch. [David Tian]: Or those five-minute interactions, you exchange numbers, just totally down to meet up – as soon as she turns around, those guys can be in her face, the girls can be looking at her like, “You just talked to a random foreigner.” So I don’t mean this to scare any guys off from approaching at clubs in China or at tables, but it is a challenge, like they’re designed in order to ward off random people approaching them, sort of like on a chessboard when they do that, what’s that called? That's sort of designed to protect the women and for there to be an intimidating presence there. So like in particular, one of the areas I found is like where you don’t feel that the girl’s responding to you, you don’t feel that anything is really going on and it’s not moving forward, because she’s not really giving these signs to you. Are there other kinds of signs and indicators of interest to use that are different from the West? So you put your arm around her shoulder, you bring her in and you just lead, lead, lead.Today we have David Tian, who is also known as the Asian Rake. [Angel Donovan]: [Laughs] [David Tian]: [Laughs] But even if you’re the hottest guy, you approach that group, because of face, because of social circle pressure, she really can’t pay you any attention. And the key there is, just like with any long-term strategy with any guy who’s going to be doing this for longer than a few months, is that you really need to be building a social that has access, will give you access to cool guys who know hot girls. And so I thought, “Well, I’ve got nothing to lose,” because I’m not getting anywhere waiting for what I then thought of as IOI, because I wasn’t getting any of those.In the late 1980s, Jeffries taught workshops, promoted a collection of neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) techniques called "speed seduction" (SS), and published a short book of his techniques, How to Get the Women You Desire into Bed.Other exponents established themselves in roughly the same era, but lacked contacts with each other.The guy who started the thread was saying that seduction / relationships are unfair because women have all the power. A funny thing happens when you commit to loving another human being, at some point in time, they start to occupy a place in your head and your heart that goes far beyond the norm. This is the next installment of the ‘Thought of the day’ series.
However, one self-described "picker-upper of women" preceding Weber was rational emotive psychotherapist Albert Ellis, who wrote The Art of Erotic Seduction, a how-to guide for men that encouraged them to meet women through the "pickup," with Roger Conway in 1967.
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A very heated discussion started on the forum yesterday about women and power.
The 1970s and 1980s saw independent authors and teachers, but no organized community.
The seduction community itself originated with Ross Jeffries and his students.